Monday, September 29, 2014

The Dark Arts - Starbase Theft

The usual disclaimer: I make no claim to be an expert on this or any subject. I'm just a 3 year old permanoob-at-heart exploring the dark side of EVE and sharing some of my experiences and lessons learned.

It's been awhile since I have written one of these guides, or blogged at all, in fact. I just came back to the game after a few months off, sold my PvP main and rolled a new character for a fresh start in the game. After 4 days in the game my new main character was able to steal a player owned starbase (POS) and everything in it, to the tune of about 1.2 billion isk. It was a new experience for me and I made a few mistakes, so I figured I would write up a step-by-step guide for anyone else looking to steal POSes for fun and profit.

Target Selection 
There are a few different ways that you can go with this. The most lucrative targets are likely going to be established wormhole corporations. Wormhole corporations by necessity keep most of their ships and assets at their POSes. However, if they are even slightly competent they will know better than to give full POS roles to brand new members. This doesn't mean that it is impossible, it's just a question of how much time and effort you are willing to invest.

Terrible new wormhole corporations are certainly very likely targets. If they have inadequate leadership or are very new at living in holes they may be inclined to give out roles easily. The primary challenge for younger POS thieves in this situation might be moving stolen ships out of the hole.

Another likely target is small highsec industrial corporations. Recent changes to industrial mechanics have resulted in these terrible, nearly universally incompetent corporations throwing up POSes left and right. Try to find a relatively young one with an inexperienced CEO. If they don't ask you for an API key when you apply, then there is a good chance they will be lax about assigning roles as well. These corporations are likely to be much faster and easier to infiltrate, but likely less profitable as well.

Gaining Trust
Again, there are lots of ways that you can play this. The key is to immerse yourself in your character and do all the things they would expect you to do. If it is a mining corp, then mine. If it is a PVE corp, then PVE. No matter how torturous these activities may seem, keep in mind that they are a means to obtain your goal - being assigned roles.

The next step is to identify what your corporation needs in a new member and mold yourself into exactly that. An easy one is to offer to be a fleet commander. Most small EVE corps are desperate for FCs - anyone who steps up to that role is likely to quickly earn the trust of his directors. Make yourself indispensable and then make your case.

In my case, I joined a highsec mining corp, took note that they had no mining fleets scheduled on the calendar, and offered to be that guy. I sent off a mail to the CEO to the tune of, "Gee boss, my long term goal in this game is to be an FC. I know I'm new here and don't want to step on any toes, but would it be ok if I led a weekly mining fleet on Sundays and gave the ore to the corp?"

I quickly got a "hell yes!" and then pushed it a little further. "Great boss, I just need a few roles to make this work..." Within a few hours I was all set.

Roles and Skills
In order to take the tower and modules themselves, you need the role Config Starbase Equipment. You may also need Hangar Access to loot any Corporate Hangar Arrays that may be online at the POS. If you can't get those roles, another possibility is to get Starbase Fuel Technician, which will allow you to empty the fuel from the bay and cause the shields to go down, allowing you to destroy the POS modules for their loot drops. Beware doing this while other members with POS roles are online, though, as they will get a notification that the tower is low on fuel.

Don't forget to ask for any other roles that you might need to keep your backstory straight. I asked for Communications Officer, for example, so that I could put my scheduled fleets on the calendar. I also hinted that corp roles can be confusing and that maybe they should just give me the Director role to keep things simple. Unfortunately, they didn't go that far. There are a whole host of fascinating things that can be done with a director role.

As for skills, I found out the hard way that in order to unanchor the POS and it's structures, you will need to have Anchoring trained at least to 1. You will also need to be able to fly some sort of industrial ship with your in-corp character, and having a friend or an alt with an Orca or Freighter to haul away bulky fuel, arrays, and other cargo will be of great help as well.

The Heist
The best time for this is when you are the only person in corp who is online. If that isn't possible, try to do it when nobody else with POS roles is around, and they are all otherwise occupied or afk. Most of this can be done with other members online without necessarily alerting them, but bear in mind that it will take some time to complete the heist.

If you have corp hangar arrays, SMAs or silos that you wish to loot, make sure to bring one or more Enormous Freight Containers. Launch them close to where you will need them and loot all structures first. Ships inside of Ship Maintenance Arrays can be ejected and flown to a station or other secure location.

Your first step should be looting all arrays inside the shields, then offlining them.  Then make sure to unanchor all arrays before you proceed - you will not be able to do this once the tower is offline. Next, offline the control tower itself and loot its fuel and strontium bays. Then immediately unanchor the tower - this is the slowest part of the process and may take up to an hour to complete.

While the tower is unanchoring, the shields will go down and any assistants or alts you may have can  enter the area. Begin making off with the loot and scooping modules to your cargo holds and dropping them wherever you want them. Be aware that out-of corp haulers used for this in highsec will incur a suspect flag, making them legal targets for everybody.

Once the tower is offline, scoop it up and steal that too. Then the final step, anchor a mobile depot named with a message to taunt your corpmates when they warp to their POS and find it utterly disappeared. I executed my heist, for example, on the eve of my CEOs birthday. I had promised him a birthday surprise, so I named my depot "Happy Birthday from the Belligerent Undesirables!"

Happy birthday from the Belligerent Undesirables!
The Aftermath
It's a safe bet to assume that at this point your time in your chosen corp is likely to be limited, so you might as well take anything else that you can. If you have access to the corp wallet or hangars then empty them. If they left shares in their wallet, take those too, and then go to your corp screen. If you have a director role and control all the shares then you can force a vote for CEO and steal the corporation itself.

Once you have stolen everything that isn't nailed down, the next logical step is to hop in a combat ship and go on safari. Use the map (f10) to find "corp members in space" in the information folder, and go and kill anyone else who might be online, and/or hold them for ransom. There are plenty of great safari guides out there, so I won't get into too much detail about that.

Suffice it to say that unless you have successfully executed a hostile takeover, at some point you will be booted from the corporation. Then you go find another one, rinse repeat.

Conclusions
POS theft is hilarious good fun for all ages. It's another way of enjoying the general theme of corporate infiltration, which is a cherished part of sandbox gameplay in EVE online. As has been said before, and will be said again, EVE is one of the few games where you are encouraged to "Be the Villain".

Many forms of villainy might require more SP or connections, but this one is very newbie friendly. The only challenge for new players may be physically hauling away large quantities of loot without a freighter or Orca, which is easily dealt with if you have friends. The character that I used for my theft was only 4 days old, invested less than 3 million isk getting set up for this, and profited well over a billion. In fact, he is still in corp and may make even more isk from loot and ransoms before this is over.

As always, get out there and steal and murder - play EVE the way it was meant to be played.




Tuesday, September 23, 2014

Retiring my PvP main

This is me shamelessly using my blog to advertise my character sale. I'm selling off my main, Kalim Dabo. Most of this blog has been about him. He's a pretty well rounded PvP pilot with some extra skills, like probing and mining.

Kalim has been my main since I started playing. However, I basically only use him to fly T1 frigates, so I don't really need most of his SP.

Some time ago, as regular readers will recall, I started a new character as an experiment, to see how feasible it would be to solo wardec people with a 1 week old newbie character. I found that I was actually very successful There are certain advantages in highsec piracy that come from having a very young character with a clean history and API, and it doesn't take long to train back up to fly an Incursus or something very well, which is all I was doing with Kalim anyway.

So I'm going to get a fresh start, with enough isk to keep me in frigates and pay wardec fees for some time to come. If you are interested, check out the advert at forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5045379#post5045379

Thursday, June 19, 2014

Victory in Everyshore

Celebrating the liberation of Everyshore from rebel forces
Immediately following the Battle of Bereye, the wars between my enemies, Lunar Shadow Mining and Freight, and my allies, Molestation Nation and Gypsy Queens went live. I noted that Gypsy Queens had immediate success taking out a faction fit Megathron Navy Issue before opting to end the war early for reasons of their own.

Later that evening I was able to log on and inspect the belts of Bereye. I noted with some disappointment that one of their pilots, Vaatia915, was mining illegally in a Venture. I made an attempt to kill him and failed, as he was, to his credit, aware of his surroundings and warped out as I arrived at the belt. A certain amount of cat-and-mouse style maneuvering ensued. After a few moments, Vaatia re-appeared and engaged me in single combat with a Merlin. Again I was impressed with his courage. Of course, I won. As everyone knows by now, Code agents literally cannot be defeated in battle, so the result was a foregone conclusion. Still, he tried, and that definitely counts for something.

As I was fighting Vaatia, one of his corpmates showed up in a shuttle, perhaps merely to spectate, and was also subsequently destroyed. After that I found that everyone was docked up. Despite my distaste for station camping, I redeployed my reinforced mobile depot and then sat for a few moments on the undock in my Navy Hurricane while I sized up the situation. There was a lot of coming and going in shuttles that I couldn't make sense of. At one point a LSMF pilot undocked in a Mammoth and I destroyed it in two volleys.

The Second Battle of Bereye

At that point I received a convo from my ally, Scorpion Venom1 of Molestation Nation.

[ 2014.06.14 00:26:58 ] Scorpion Venom1 > hello
[ 2014.06.14 00:26:58 ] Kalim Dabo > o/
[ 2014.06.14 00:27:05 ] Scorpion Venom1 > playing with them already?
[ 2014.06.14 00:27:20 ] Kalim Dabo > yeah, i had to
[ 2014.06.14 00:27:25 ] Scorpion Venom1 > lol
[ 2014.06.14 00:27:31 ] Scorpion Venom1 > i have my alt there
[ 2014.06.14 00:27:43 ] Kalim Dabo > cool
[ 2014.06.14 00:27:58 ] Scorpion Venom1 > mind letting me take over for a while?
[ 2014.06.14 00:28:07 ] Kalim Dabo > sure, go ahead
[ 2014.06.14 00:28:11 ] Scorpion Venom1 > ♥

As everyone knows, I am kind to a fault, and always willing to help a friend. So I left the system and let Scorpion take over the war while I worked on my last blog post. He doesn't know this yet, but I kept a cloaky alt in the system, and happened to alt-tab over to check what was happening just as the second Battle of Bereye began.

Scorpion was monitoring the undock of LSMF HQ in a Megathron and chatting with their members in local when Ryan Hiri undocked in a Vexor. He quickly came under fire, but then a second Vexor undocked, and a Catalyst, and two Drakes. Ryan Hiri died in a ball of fire, then one of the Drakes quickly followed suit. The other Drake was tanked like a brick and absorbed volley after volley. Scorpion cycled his microwarpdrive and rammed it off the station undock to prevent it from de-aggressing and seeking refuge in station, then burned it to the ground. The second Vexor and Catalyst died soon after. Vaatia915 decided to wear his balls on the outside that day and reshipped to a second Catalyst, and died again, but did so with unquestionable honor. Again the invincibility of Agents of the Code was proved on the field of battle.

After the battle, Molestation Nation also caught a deadspace fit Rattlesnake in neighboring Aice, apparently running missions afk, resulting in the most valuable kill of the war.

Efforts at diplomacy
I figured at this point that LSMF had maybe had enough and were willing to seek an end to the conflict. I actually had been remarkably impressed by their willingness to undock and fight time after time in spite of crippling losses, and sensed a great potential in them to rise beyond their bot-aspirant origins. And so I reached out to their CEO of the moment, Aeris Nardieu, presumably the alt of the founder, Kirisaku Nardieu, who had recently dropped corp.

War
From: Kalim Dabo
Sent: 2014.06.17 00:46
To: Aeris Nardieu,  Scorpion Venom1


Mr. Nardieu,

War fees for the next week are due tomorrow. As I have said, I intend to continue the conflict until your corporation achieves 100% Code-compliance. There are two ways that you could go about this.

1. You purchase mining permits for your entire corporation at a rate of 10 million isk per member. Since you have lost a number of members, your total currently stands at 460 million isk. You would also have to agree to obey all other provisions of the Code while in highsec and to educate your members to do the same. Again, you can read the full text of the Code at www.minerbumping.com

2. You agree to leave highsec. The Code only applies to those who live in New Order space. If you decide to remove your corporation from highsec in the immediate future, I will respect that decision and end hostilities.

Failure to choose one of these two options will result in the inevitable destruction of your corporation. I will continue to bloody your members until one by one they walk away and join other corporations. I have all the skill and patience required to make sure that this happens.

On a positive note, I have been impressed somewhat by the fighting spirit of your members. They show potential to become great EVE players. In light of this, I am willing to negotiate somewhat on the mining permit fees, if you are willing to contact me and discuss the matter.

Have a lovely day,

Code Agent Kalim Dabo

The "powerful friends in null sec"
Shortly before I wardecced LSMF, I noticed an interesting thread on the official EVE Online forums, in New Citizens Q&A. The gist of the OP was that a semi-new character was butthurt about all the perceived "griefing" that was going on in high sec, and he felt that there should be "instances" in which a player could complete a mission or other PVE situation without random jagoffs being able to interfere or attempt to blap him. He was trying to sell that blatant pro-carebear-propaganda as if it were advice for new players. When a long line of people showed up to explain that the issues that he had with EVE were exactly the things that make this MMO unique and special, he dismissed everybody as trolls.

For that I wardecced his corporation, called "Armilies corporation [ARMIL]" more to make a statement than out of any actual inclination to hunt him down. My playtime, after all, is limited.

Anyway, while my war with LSMF was going on, I started to receive correspondence from the CEO of ARMIL. It seemed that he had assumed the mantle of white-knight and was out to save LSMF.

Dear Kalim Dabo
From: Ro Fenrios
Sent: 2014.06.17 16:44
To: Armilies corporation, Kalim Dabo,  Vaatia915,  

Almost full week has now passed since you wardecced my corporation, presumingly in error believing we would be small high sec corporation afraid to engage an older character with with just scary image and supposingly impressive killboard.

I have to admit that at very first I was expecting serious fights, and I told my members to prepare, read your blog and study your killboard, never to fly alone but then, after almost week, what have you thrown at us? Nothing.

You are not taking this offender part in our war very seriously and I dont think it is merely the distance between us. You have been very active in your war against Lunar Shadow Mining And Freight and sadly it has been our fleets that have been forced to jump the horrid 20+ systems looking for fight. In last 3 days we have been sitting at Bereye I have found you sadly absent. it appears as of very late you have only appeared to stroke your monument of "heroic battle" every time after we have shot it to reinforce.

The fact that you wardecced me and made me do all that work and preparations for nothing was insulting enough, but now that I have been reading your blog and following your doings, I have thruly become motivated to work against you. In addition I have made certain entities aware of your doings and especially aware of the troubles you have caused to LSMF. I have already ensured that Lunar shadow will recieve proper protection from the likes of you and have invited this young, promising corp closer to our territorial space in amarr low sec.

My decision power in the alliance which I am associated with is next to none at best - but would I have decision power in my hands, I would have had your ass wardecced by the entirety of it long ago - not because of you deccing us, but because what you have done to LSMF.

Our war still has few good hours left before it will end. I will request permission from my superiors to declear it mutual or have a right to help Lunar shadow's war effort through their request of assist. Whatever way this goes, I will make sure LSMF does not have to agree to anything you say anymore. I will make them realize how irrelavant little imp you are compared to real demons that dwell deep in the low sec and null.

I will give them chance that everyone deserves to have. Armilies was once in same position as Lunar shadows, and we were given chance by the groups we work with these days.

I strongly advice to leave you LSMF alone, but then again, I doupt you ego will allow that. I repeat what I have told you several times now. We're at war. Contribute to the war you started, or do not wardec at all. I have seen already through that image you attempt to keep and behind that mask is nothing impressive. I hope you get my point.

Ro.
CEO of Armilies corporation.

Copying this message forth.
-----------------------------
::Here is some background for you "real demons" to read::
http://everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.fi/
https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98149632/

Will explain my anger I believe.

My reply:


Re: Dear Kalim Dabo
From: Kalim Dabo
Sent: 2014.06.17 16:55
To: Ro Fenrios,  Vaatia915,  

Be careful, Ro! You are treading dangerously close to violating the New Halaima Code of Conduct. Needless to say, the consequences of that can be dire. I was just going to let our war expire, since I only declared it to troll one of your members on the forums, but now I think honor dictates that I continue it.

Shortly after:


Re: Re: Dear Kalim Dabo
From: Ro Fenrios
Sent: 2014.06.17 17:50
To: Kalim Dabo,  Vaatia915,  

Mister Kalim.

Your sense of honor is very twisted at best, but I again repeat this. I would very much appriciate it if at least some point during our war you could put up some sort of fight. I have been so very deeply disappointed at your previous lack of effort. Do you understand what I say? If you wardecced us just to troll our member, then I must say that was rather big failure on your part. Perhaps proper background check would had been wise thing to do? What did you expect to happen?

I have not read the New Halaima Code of Conduct, but I believe it does not apply in low sec or null, especially in sov space that we own. If you can, could you please show on paper where did evil Ro violate your code?

In meantime while you ponder if to or if not to wardec me again, I shall tell you that our fleet is going fly into Bereye today. We're going to take the LSMF members that are willing to join us into fleet and then we go practice a little bit. Either with you or if you do not show up, somewhere in low sec, where you can find actual PVP. Depending on their preference, I will also intorduce them to some of our blues, and see if they can be added blue as well - overall I expect quite eventful night to us, more so than previous nights to be honest.

You are silly person Kalim. Tell exactly what are you going to threaten me with? perhaps.. PVP? That would be the first. x)


Ro, your best friend.

Unfortunately, I was at work during all this, and unable to demonstrate to his "fleet" what an Agent of the New Order is capable of in PvP. When I returned I found another wordy missive in my inbox.


Well, mister Kalim.


I was very sad not to see you around this evening in Bereye. We had wonderful 10 man fleet with the Lunar shadow and I took the baby piranhas into nearby low sec. Unfortunately 10 people popping simultaniously into local tends to discourage most people from engaging in any PVP activity with your fleet, so we missed any kills - unless you can count giant secure container on asteroid belts as one,

The fleet was more of a symbolic gesture from our side to show those remaining LSMF members that they are not alone anymore, that there are people who who see new, young capsuleers as potential future members for alliance. I am willing to sacrifice my time to help these beaten up souls and my superiors are in agreement with my actions. It is not what these people are now, but what they will be some day.

Almost exactly six months ago I was brought before my current masters, afraid, confused, angry. I had been through the same process as lunar Shadow, only that our corporation was way smaller from begin with. I had reached a point in eve where it seemed there was nothing I could do in high sec without being attacked and I asked how I fight this? Who are these people who want to kill you for no other reason that they can? Why I was targeted for such harrasment? As I have grown as character, I have since begin to understand. That was a silly question from begin with. I have been in point where I did not understand, and because of it I can completely symphatize with LSMF and its members. While I understand, Kalim, why you do what you do, I certainly do not agree with your actions or motives.

I presented the current CEO, Vaatia915 to my superiors and his attitude made good impression to our leadership. I have been assigned to aid Lunar shadows in their early ventures to EVE and help them both learn and grow with our support.

Vaatia is right now very young, but given time he may grow into fine character and great leader. One thing is certain. His attitude and "not giving up" mentality is same level as mine and I really like this little fellow.

Since you have that nice blog you are writing, and you absolutely must reach a conclusion that appears like you archieved something - thing which I believe is your biggest concern. "How do I get out of this and make it look like I won?" -I can tell you this.

In near future I doupt LSMF will be mining in high sec. They will be mining with us in low and null. This is no part your doing though, but go ahead and claim it as your victory.

Our war will end in few moments. Since you have been quite silent and propably do not have time to reply to this before timer runs out, I will not declear the war mutual. However, I believe I can still at any point join the "fighting" by offering assistance to LSMF should you continue to harrass them.

There will be no payments, no ransoms, no other terms. Leave these guys alone and I will let this be.

I shall tell about this to no-one else than people who already know about it, and I suppose you get to keep your image relatively intact.

Have a nice evening, Kalim.

RO.

What I took away from this was mainly that Ro was an individual who, without actually belonging to any nullsec alliance, loved to threaten the wrath of his powerful nullsec alliance, which of course he couldn't even name. Then, of course, I read between the lines and saw that LSMF seemed to be contemplating a move out of highsec. Obviously, this was an excellent outcome - what better victory for the Code than encouraging a group of new players to seek out their own story in lawless space? However, I was somewhat skeptical of the source. I forwarded Ro and Vaatia (who had become CEO, as Aeris/Kirisaku had dropped out) the mail which I had sent to the previous CEOs of LSMF outlining my terms. Vaatia was the first to reply.


Re: FW: War
From: Vaatia915
Sent: 2014.06.18 01:15
To: Kalim Dabo,  

Dearest Kalim,

   If you wish to see this as a victory, go ahead. However, I regret to inform you that the move from highsec will not take place in the very near future. We have been invited to Nullsec Alliance and I have every intention of accepting their kind offer. But that doesn't mean we will never see each other again. I still want to come back and shove my railgun up your ass someday :) (not in a sexual way; that would be weird...).


   So, in conclusion. Farewell, for now, my sweet prince. But, don't you forget us. You've made a new enemy, and its always the little ones that grow up to be big and strong.

Love,
Vaatia915
Chief Executive Officer
Lunar Shadow Mining and Freight

P.S. My bounty is bigger than yours *Giggity*



Again, things were moving in the right direction. However, I felt obligated to remind them that as long as they remained in high sec they would need to comply with the Code, and since they hadn't agreed to that, the war would need to continue. Soon I heard Ro's reaction.


Reaching conclusion.
From: Ro Fenrios
Sent: 2014.06.18 10:03
To: Kalim Dabo,  Vaatia915,  

*Sigh*

To sum up the current situation here is the lastest:
-Lunar shadow has been brought in front our alliance leadership and they have agreed for long term plan to begin transforming this young corporation into null corp.

-To do the previous, LSMF will be required to increase their skills, for right now these fellows are not even past the basics.

-I will be helping these people to archieve the previously mentioned requirement.

-LSMF has been invited to 1 jump away from our territorial space and I have requested the local pirate groups in nearby low sec systems to also add these young players as blue to their list. Since I do not have authority over these groups, the nearby regions will be safe to them in varying decree.

-Lunar Shadow will still LIVE in high sec due to obvious reasons, but this is only to allow them to learn the game, do missions, buy stuff from trade hubs, etc etc.

-They will be MINING in low sec and later in null with our "aggressive" mining fleets and since I believe the mining in high sec part is what violates your "code" - these people are not doing anything wrong even by your books.

I am not sure was there writing error in Vaatia's post, but we shall see. This is the course of action I have proposed for the LSMF.

If you keep aggressing these fellows, I will simply keep responding. Now that they are closer to us, im sure they can quickly relocate themselves under our protection every time you come close to them and we dont have to make that horrid 20 jumps to reach them.

If your claim about CODE is true, that you only wish to "help" and "improve" players, you will let us take care of them from this day forth. You can go find yourself next corp to bully.

Ro.
*TITLES TITLES*

This fellow seemed amusingly sure of the efficacy of his "protection" of LSMF for someone who wouldn't even name the alliance he allegedly belonged to. I actually was tempted to continue the war just to see if he had any actual teeth at all, or was just another loudmouthed carebear threatening the wrath of "his powerful friends in null sec", as I still suspect. However, Ro Fenrios was in no actual position to negotiate on behalf of LSMF, and I soon reached a breakthrough with Vaatia915


Re: Re: Reaching conclusion.
From: Vaatia915
Sent: 2014.06.18 13:06
To: Kalim Dabo,  Ro Fenrios,  

If it will end this godforsaken war, I accept your terms.

Vaatia915
Chief Executive Officer
Lunar Shadow Mining and Freight

--------------------------------
Re: Reaching conclusion.
From: Kalim Dabo
Sent: 2014.06.18 12:13
To: Ro Fenrios,  Vaatia915,  

I am impressed with the progress made. However, all highsec systems remain subject to the Code, and so the war will continue until I am satisfied that my terms have been met. Since your corp is not actually a part of any nullsec alliance, nor have you mentioned which alliance you are allegedly affiliated with, everything you say about the matter is obviously going to be met with a degree of skepticism. 

However, I am willing to consider that you may actually be serious, so I will consider agreeing to a ceasefire if Vaatia will agree to confine all mining activities to lowsec, null, or wormholes, unless the pilots involved have valid permits and respect the Code. 

As a former CEO of a newbie friendly nullsec corporation, I can attest to the fact that there is no reason for LSMF to wait to leave highsec. I myself used to recruit new players on trial accounts and have them pod-jump directly out to Curse and start joining PvP fleets. It can be done. Indeed, nullsec alliances which do this - Goonswarm Federation, TEST, and Brave, have the highest rates of new player retention in the game. Incidentally, when last I checked, Brave is open to new corporations.

KD

Victory!

Having reached a diplomatic solution, I accepted the surrender of Lunar Shadow Mining and Freight. Soon after I was hailed by their original CEO, Kirisaku Nardieu.


[ 2014.06.18 01:19:49 ] Kirisaku Nardieu > I need to get mining again.
[ 2014.06.18 01:20:07 ] Kalim Dabo > would you like to buy a permit? :D
[ 2014.06.18 01:20:09 ] Kirisaku Nardieu > Can I keep it off my Bio for at least a few days?
[ 2014.06.18 01:20:37 ] Kalim Dabo > well
[ 2014.06.18 01:20:43 ] Kirisaku Nardieu > I'd like to maintain at least some of my honor
[ 2014.06.18 01:21:15 ] Kalim Dabo > i'll agree to leave you alone for a few days, but other agents may not
[ 2014.06.18 01:22:08 ] Kirisaku Nardieu > No promises needed. Do I get a permit number?
[ 2014.06.18 01:22:36 ] Kalim Dabo > send the isk and I'll send you the permit that you can copy/paste for your bio
[ 2014.06.18 01:22:48 ] Kalim Dabo > they aren't actually numbered
[ 2014.06.18 01:23:08 ] Kirisaku Nardieu > If I was doing it, I'd issue Permit Numbers. Makes for easier tracking.
[ 2014.06.18 01:23:12 ] Kalim Dabo > isk recieved
[ 2014.06.18 01:23:18 ] Kirisaku Nardieu > My record keeping is damn near military quality.
[ 2014.06.18 01:23:25 ] Kalim Dabo > hold on a minute
[ 2014.06.18 01:24:58 ] Kirisaku Nardieu > Maybe my anxiety disorder will die down again- I almost commited myself to the State Hospital because of you :P
[ 2014.06.18 01:28:04 ] Kalim Dabo > permit sent

If all goes according to plan, Lunar Shadow Mining and Freight will hold true to their treaty with the New Order and cease all Code violating activities in highsec, soon making the final move to a as-yet-nameless nullsec alliance. Their former CEO even wisely bent the knee and bought himself a mining permit for one year, which he proudly displays in his bio.

Of course, I will be carefully monitoring the situation to make sure that LSMF doesn't fall back into their criminal ways, but for now I am calling this a total victory for the Code. Later this evening I will parade back to the Forge in glory in my Stabber, waving to the adoring crowds which no doubt will be waiting to see me pass by, and then I will begin scouting the next rebel organization on my list.











Friday, June 13, 2014

The Battle of Bereye

Last night after declaring war on Lunar Shadow Mining and Freight, I logged off and waited for the news to settle in for my targets. It wasn't long before a new thread popped up on reddit, titled "Who wants to fight CORE?(sic)" It was my war-targets, begging for allies. They got a lot of sympathy from the r/EVE crowd, as you might expect. They did not, however, manage to find anyone willing to go to war to defend their perceived right to mine without permits in New Order space.

This morning, as the wardec was about to go live, I went to Bereye to make some bookmarks and generally get ready, and I saw their Lieutenant CEO had even resorted to begging the randoms in local to ally with him, to no avail.


[ 2014.06.12 16:26:10 ] Aeris Nardieu > Anyone feel up to fighting against a CODE Corp with us? War commences in two hours.
[ 2014.06.12 16:26:26 ] Aeris Nardieu > They'll have no actual backup from CODE.
[ 2014.06.12 16:26:52 ] Aeris Nardieu > Oh, hey there Kalim!
[ 2014.06.12 16:27:17 ] Kalim Dabo > o/
[ 2014.06.12 16:27:35 ] Aeris Nardieu > How you feeling about the war? You excited as I am?
[ 2014.06.12 16:27:53 ] Kalim Dabo > can't wait :D

On my side of things, however, I noted that two additional corporations had wardecced LSMF. One was Molestation Nation, another small but highly effective New Order affiliated wardec corp. The other was Gypsy Queens, which I'm not familiar with, but their war record speaks for itself. Both wardecs go live today, but I got to have the first crack at these desperate rebels.

Opening Skirmishes
I logged in yesterday evening in the system of Aice and saw one wartarget in local. I quickly was able to narrow down his position orbiting a station at 100km range, evidently afk. The Slicer that I had been using to make bookmarks with seemed well suited to the task, so I attacked, orbiting at 20km range and zapping him with Scorch, keeping out of blaster range on the off chance that he might return to the keyboard. He did not, and his pod was quickly destroyed after his ship.

I then moved on to Bereye. There were several wartargets docked up. I observed as some of them undocked and moved around, and chased one Catalyst for a few jumps before giving it up. I noted, with some approval, that their newbies all seemed to be flying destroyers. I swapped my Slicer for a Police Persuut Comet, and named it "Code Enforcement".

Soon after, I managed to catch a Catalyst out alone. I figured he would be blaster fit and tried to kite out at the edge of scram range, but he surprised me with rails and I took a few good volleys before my ECM drones broke his lock. Then I quickly finished him off. His pod got away.

I continued to patrol the area. LSMF bunkered down in their home system. One pilot was missing, Ryan Hiri. I soon found him in Aice, mining with a Venture. I fired a warning shot across his bow as he warped to the safety of a station.


[ 2014.06.12 23:57:30 ] Ryan Hiri > Kalim Dabo Is in Aice
[ 2014.06.12 23:58:01 ] Ryan Hiri > He is attacking me it failed
[ 2014.06.12 23:58:10 ] Kalim Dabo > yes, he is
[ 2014.06.12 23:58:21 ] Kalim Dabo > and that was just a warning :D
[ 2014.06.12 23:58:26 ] Ryan Hiri > You sure?
[ 2014.06.12 23:58:42 ] Kalim Dabo > get right with the Code, Ryan, it's never too late
[ 2014.06.12 23:59:19 ] Ryan Hiri > What the code that will cheap me out of my money?
[ 2014.06.12 23:59:26 ] Kalim Dabo > www.minerbumping.com
[ 2014.06.12 23:59:29 ] Ryan Hiri > I don't have enough money to make it till the next month
[ 2014.06.12 23:59:47 ] Kalim Dabo > sell your assets
[ 2014.06.12 23:59:55 ] Ryan Hiri > If you buy me for my next month I will join
[ 2014.06.12 23:59:57 ] Mephistopheles Lundeen > Kalim Dabo CODE is stupid
[ 2014.06.13 00:00:06 ] Ryan Hiri > I need 680 mil to plex
[ 2014.06.13 00:00:08 ] Kalim Dabo > Mephistopheles Lundeen silence you
[ 2014.06.13 00:00:24 ] Kalim Dabo > Ryan Hiri you'll never get there mining wth a Venture
[ 2014.06.13 00:00:46 ] Kalim Dabo > mining for PLEX really is quite stupid in any ship, actually
[ 2014.06.13 00:00:59 ] Ryan Hiri > Actually if I play for the next couple days I will make enough
[ 2014.06.13 00:01:13 ] Mephistopheles Lundeen > CODE is no longer relavent
[ 2014.06.13 00:01:15 ] Kalim Dabo > in fact, grinding PVE to pay your sub is a bad idea all around
[ 2014.06.13 00:01:25 ] Ryan Hiri > You sure?
[ 2014.06.13 00:01:35 ] Kalim Dabo > Mephistopheles Lundeen be quiet, random person, I'm talking to Ryan
[ 2014.06.13 00:01:41 ] Kalim Dabo > Ryan Hiri I'm sure
[ 2014.06.13 00:01:55 ] Ryan Hiri > Mephistopheles Lundeen Keep talking you make more sense than this brain washed idiot
[ 2014.06.13 00:02:30 ] Kalim Dabo > Ryan Hiri don't listen to the troll
[ 2014.06.13 00:02:34 ] Mephistopheles Lundeen > No worries. I love intergallactic space drama
[ 2014.06.13 00:02:38 ] Kalim Dabo > think for yourself
[ 2014.06.13 00:03:03 ] Kalim Dabo > do you really want to play this game like a second job, grinding away for your next months isk?
[ 2014.06.13 00:03:05 ] Ryan Hiri > Kalim if I should think for myself then your code is stopping that I cannot mine freely
[ 2014.06.13 00:03:23 ] Mephistopheles Lundeen > Kalim Dabo marked
[ 2014.06.13 00:03:25 ] Kalim Dabo > or do you want to actually, i don't know, have fun maybe? playing a video game?
[ 2014.06.13 00:03:39 ] Mephistopheles Lundeen > fun is relative Kalim
[ 2014.06.13 00:03:47 ] Sebastian Voss > I don't play my video games for fun Mr.  This is serious business.
[ 2014.06.13 00:03:59 ] Ryan Hiri > Kalim if you want me to have fun playing a game then don't force me to pay a fee just to mine
[ 2014.06.13 00:04:27 ] Mephistopheles Lundeen > Kalim has fun bullying miners, we all have fun laughing at him
[ 2014.06.13 00:04:27 ] Kalim Dabo > Ryan Hiri I'm trying to gently guide you and other miners to a healthier playstyle
[ 2014.06.13 00:04:53 ] Mephistopheles Lundeen > "healthier" according to whom?
[ 2014.06.13 00:04:56 ] Sebastian Voss > I get what code is about,  I don't necessarily agree with it's methods.
[ 2014.06.13 00:05:07 ] Mephistopheles Lundeen > seconded
[ 2014.06.13 00:05:20 ] Kalim Dabo > what methods do you take issue with?
[ 2014.06.13 00:05:28 ] Mephistopheles Lundeen > although stronger disagreement with "methods"
[ 2014.06.13 00:05:36 ] Ryan Hiri > Kalim it's not very much healthier you are targeting us because we want to play
[ 2014.06.13 00:06:00 ] Mephistopheles Lundeen > I disagree with kill other players because you disapprove of how they are playing
[ 2014.06.13 00:06:30 ] Sebastian Voss > bumping..  ganking...  deciding who is and who is not playing the game "the right way".  I mean ... gank all you want, bump all you want.  .
[ 2014.06.13 00:06:33 ] Kalim Dabo > Ryan Hiri I realize that you don't have the perspective to understand how game-killingly horrible your current corporation is, or how mind numbingly boring mining is compared to all alternatives
[ 2014.06.13 00:06:43 ] Sebastian Voss > Wish you guys wouldnt be podding everyone also.
[ 2014.06.13 00:07:04 ] Kalim Dabo > Sebastian Voss that's what you call "player-generated content", it's what EVE is all about
[ 2014.06.13 00:07:06 ] Sebastian Voss > Oh,  I know how mind numbingly boring mining is.
[ 2014.06.13 00:07:07 ] Ryan Hiri > Ummm my corp didn't want to have a war we just wanted to mine and have fun together
[ 2014.06.13 00:07:08 ] Kalim Dabo > conflict
[ 2014.06.13 00:07:34 ] Ryan Hiri > Well I didn't want to
[ 2014.06.13 00:07:57 ] Kalim Dabo > Ryan Hiri i understand, but the fact is that you aren't entitled to have fun all by yourselves in a non-competetive way without other players attacking you
[ 2014.06.13 00:08:08 ] Kalim Dabo > that would be against the spirit of the game
[ 2014.06.13 00:08:16 ] Mephistopheles Lundeen > and therefore, don't be suprised if your "player generated content" evokes a "player generated" response
[ 2014.06.13 00:08:23 ] Ryan Hiri > Oh I know I don't mind this
[ 2014.06.13 00:08:28 ] Kalim Dabo > the did name it "Everyone vs. Everyone Online" after all
[ 2014.06.13 00:09:14 ] Mephistopheles Lundeen > and now it's miners vs. CODE zombies
[ 2014.06.13 00:09:57 ] Sebastian Voss > I'm not a fan fo the suicide kill, but I do understand there is no alternative in highsec because of conhord.
[ 2014.06.13 00:10:11 ] Kalim Dabo > Sebastian Voss exactly
[ 2014.06.13 00:10:33 ] Kalim Dabo > we have to make wardec evaders explode somehow
[ 2014.06.13 00:10:56 ] Mephistopheles Lundeen > alternative = go set up some soverign system and enforce your rules on ppl there
[ 2014.06.13 00:11:17 ] Ryan Hiri > Kalim why does code not try and take over low sec
[ 2014.06.13 00:11:19 ] Kalim Dabo > Mephistopheles Lundeen that is exactly what we have done
[ 2014.06.13 00:11:31 ] Mephistopheles Lundeen > so go and stay there
[ 2014.06.13 00:11:35 ] Kalim Dabo > "the New Order of Highsec"
[ 2014.06.13 00:11:38 ] Kalim Dabo > i am there
[ 2014.06.13 00:11:41 ] Mephistopheles Lundeen > we don't need your silliness here
[ 2014.06.13 00:12:12 ] Kalim Dabo > all systems above 0.5 sec are sovereign space of the New Order
[ 2014.06.13 00:12:32 ] Kalim Dabo > ah that sneaky fellow
[ 2014.06.13 00:12:36 ] Mephistopheles Lundeen > go forth Kalim and enjoy the spoils of your silly CODE in your silly system... leave HI-SEC to others
[ 2014.06.13 00:12:38 ] Kalim Dabo > got to go chase him

Battle Lines Drawn
Ryan Hiri fled back to Bereye where his comrades were waiting. I followed and orbited their station at 100km, congratulating them in local on not illegally mining, for once.


[ 2014.06.13 00:14:10 ] Kalim Dabo > good to see all of you obeying the Code today :D
[ 2014.06.13 00:14:17 ] Ryan Hiri > LOL
[ 2014.06.13 00:14:45 ] Kalim Dabo > it's fine not to have a permit if you just stay docked
[ 2014.06.13 00:19:27 ] Sebastian Voss > Hows it going Ryan?
[ 2014.06.13 00:19:57 ] Ryan Hiri > Good just Kalim followed me and almost got wreckde


Soon a Talwar undocked. I waited to see if he would approach, but he stayed on the undock. Then a Drake undocked, then a Catalyst. I usually try to spread out my foes and kill them with a frigate in these situations, but they weren't budging. The inklings of a plan began to come together in my mind.

I warped in and docked at their station, then undocked again. As I had suspected they would, they all attacked me. It was at this point I made use of the mystical force of aggro timers, whose mastery is only given to those who are strong in the Code. I docked without engaging, and switched to my Hurricane Fleet Issue, then undocked and attacked. Their aggro timers prevented them from docking again, and I soon burned down the entire LSMF fleet in a hail of autocannon fire, then crushed a number of their eggs as they beat themselves against the walls of the station, unable to find refuge. I lost track of how many ships I destroyed. There was a Drake and a Myrmidon, a Merlin and several destroyers.


[ 2014.06.13 00:27:20 ] Kalim Dabo > gf
[ 2014.06.13 00:33:42 ] Kalim Dabo > Ryan Hiri that was awesome, no?
[ 2014.06.13 00:33:52 ] Ryan Hiri > I do like booms
[ 2014.06.13 00:33:57 ] Kalim Dabo > :D
[ 2014.06.13 00:34:00 ] Kalim Dabo > love the booms

I figured the battle was won. I gave the handful of remaining LSMF pilots in local a "gf", then looted the wrecks and even salvaged them. I was feeling pretty good about the war so far, and even gave myself a medal. A few more wartargets drifted in from wherever they had left their clones and docked up, as I sat on the undock in my Comet and chatted with them in local.


[ 2014.06.13 00:53:32 ] Jin Sperling > Megathron Navy Issue
[ 2014.06.13 00:53:54 ] Kalim Dabo > care to test it in battle?
[ 2014.06.13 00:54:15 ] Jin Sperling > not at the moment but thatnk you
[ 2014.06.13 00:54:28 ] Jin Sperling > that is a nice ship that you are flying
[ 2014.06.13 00:56:00 ] Kalim Dabo > thanks
[ 2014.06.13 00:56:06 ] Jin Sperling > np
[ 2014.06.13 00:56:55 ] Jin Sperling > im so glad that yall declaired war on us i have had an itch to do pvp again
[ 2014.06.13 00:58:08 ] Kalim Dabo > my pleasure
[ 2014.06.13 00:58:13 ] Jin Sperling > and to be honest i was about to switch to my alt and join a pvp high sec or low sec to have more fun with the game
[ 2014.06.13 00:58:51 ] Kalim Dabo > glad to hear it - mining and PVE are no way to enjoy a video game
[ 2014.06.13 00:59:29 ] Ryan Hiri > I like to mine and manufacture though it's a good way to enjoy it
[ 2014.06.13 00:59:39 ] Jin Sperling > yes i agree
[ 2014.06.13 00:59:50 ] Vaatia915 > mining is relaxing brah
[ 2014.06.13 01:00:10 ] Kalim Dabo > Ryan Hiri you're just saying that because you don't know any better
[ 2014.06.13 01:00:23 ] Jin Sperling > but i have to get off their is a tornado warning in my area and i dont want the power to go out on me
[ 2014.06.13 01:00:39 ] Jin Sperling > i dont want my comp to take any damage
[ 2014.06.13 01:01:13 ] Kalim Dabo > good luck with that
[ 2014.06.13 01:01:21 ] Kalim Dabo > hope you don't get blown away
[ 2014.06.13 01:02:52 ] Ryan Hiri > Kalim Dabo I know a good enough amount where I do like to mine and manufacture it's what I do in a lot of MMO's
[ 2014.06.13 01:03:18 ] Kalim Dabo > that's the thing - this isn't like other MMOs
[ 2014.06.13 01:03:31 ] Ryan Hiri > And?
[ 2014.06.13 01:03:43 ] Ryan Hiri > Does it change the fact I like mining and manufacturing?
[ 2014.06.13 01:05:51 ] Kalim Dabo > Ryan Hiri sorry, distracted a bit
[ 2014.06.13 01:06:30 ] Kalim Dabo > yes, this isn't like other MMOs, its almost entirely focused on PvP, all other content is less interesting by design
[ 2014.06.13 01:06:42 ] Ryan Hiri > Design yes preference no
[ 2014.06.13 01:07:39 ] Kalim Dabo > CCP just gives us tools to create our own content, they don't give us ready made content, not really
[ 2014.06.13 01:08:07 ] Kalim Dabo > just repetetive crap like missions and mining
[ 2014.06.13 01:08:22 ] Kalim Dabo > oh, manufacturing is ok, i don't have any real issue with that
[ 2014.06.13 01:08:36 ] Ryan Hiri > You can't manufacture without mining though
[ 2014.06.13 01:08:55 ] Kalim Dabo > sure you can - just buy minerals from the market
[ 2014.06.13 01:09:05 ] Kalim Dabo > let some other poor sap do the grunt work
[ 2014.06.13 01:09:39 ] Ryan Hiri > Ah is this why code likes to force miners to buy permits and mine?
[ 2014.06.13 01:10:09 ] Kalim Dabo > we don't force anyone to mine
[ 2014.06.13 01:10:30 ] Ryan Hiri > Well you're forcing them to pay to mine
[ 2014.06.13 01:10:33 ] Kalim Dabo > just to buy a permit if they want to mine
[ 2014.06.13 01:10:48 ] Kalim Dabo > they can do almost anything else without a permit
[ 2014.06.13 01:11:01 ] Ryan Hiri > What is this almost?
[ 2014.06.13 01:11:10 ] Kalim Dabo > you should really read www.minerbumping.com
[ 2014.06.13 01:11:21 ] Ryan Hiri > I have read and it made me sick
[ 2014.06.13 01:11:21 ] Kalim Dabo > James 315 explains it better than I could
[ 2014.06.13 01:11:48 ] Kalim Dabo > other bot-aspirant activities can be covered by the Code as well, of course
[ 2014.06.13 01:12:06 ] Kalim Dabo > things like afk hauling, afk mission running, etc
[ 2014.06.13 01:12:23 ] Ryan Hiri > Ah so autopilot isn't allowed I assume
[ 2014.06.13 01:12:30 ] Kalim Dabo > correct
[ 2014.06.13 01:12:42 ] Ryan Hiri > So a mechanic in the game isn't allowed
[ 2014.06.13 01:12:49 ] Kalim Dabo > correct
[ 2014.06.13 01:13:03 ] Ryan Hiri > That is sad that you want to limit the game
[ 2014.06.13 01:13:16 ] Kalim Dabo > not limit it - improve it
[ 2014.06.13 01:13:24 ] Ryan Hiri > No it limits it
[ 2014.06.13 01:13:29 ] Ryan Hiri > You are not allowing autopilot
[ 2014.06.13 01:13:52 ] Kalim Dabo > if you are autopiloting you are not actually playing the game
[ 2014.06.13 01:14:13 ] Kalim Dabo > you could be sleeping, or watching TV
[ 2014.06.13 01:14:25 ] Kalim Dabo > these things are not EVE Online gameplay
[ 2014.06.13 01:14:51 ] Ryan Hiri > Ah so you would like to do that tedious 50 jumps by constantly watching your screen?
[ 2014.06.13 01:15:18 ] Kalim Dabo > get a fast ship if you need to jump that far
[ 2014.06.13 01:15:33 ] HawkeofGallente > how is it any of your business how others want to play the garme? they pay to play same as you and should be able to do so as they please
[ 2014.06.13 01:15:54 ] Ryan Hiri > Even if you need to transport billions of goods?
[ 2014.06.13 01:16:05 ] Kalim Dabo > HawkeofGallente you are free to do as you please - and I'm free to blow you up while you do it
[ 2014.06.13 01:16:18 ] Kalim Dabo > Ryan Hiri especially then
[ 2014.06.13 01:16:46 ] HawkeofGallente > so you're violating the rules of the game
[ 2014.06.13 01:16:51 ] Kalim Dabo > if you are transporting that much, you should be aware that you are being hunted - scouting gates ahead, watching your back

Suddenly, two of them undocked and attacked me, with a Vexor and a Thorax. I saw destroyers undocking. Then a remarkable thing happened. I docked up, jumped in my Navy Cane, undocked and destroyed their entire fleet again. Here's a link to the battle report.

This time, my conquest of Bereye was final. The remaining rebels fled the system in rookie ships and shuttles. To commemorate the battle I anchored a mobile depot off their station and named it "Site of the Battle of Bereye, where Code Agent Kalim Dabo heroically defeated a rebel armada."

The SS YOU GONNA DIE BIOTCH patrols New Order held space in Bereye
The Next Stage
Today our allies in Molestation Nation will enter the conflict, and I have no doubt that the pressure on LSMF will be dramatically increased. 

My mind fuckery/espionage operations continue to progress. They identified one of my informants and booted him, but I have one more solid agent in their ranks, and two LSMF members have approached me and offered their services as spies. It remains to be seen whether they plan to help me or draw me into a trap, but they have been advised what I'm looking for and what rewards they can expect for delivering it.

I am looking forward to the next battle, and the next. I do not expect a quick or easy campaign, but I know that victory will be mine, because I have the Code on my side.

Wednesday, June 11, 2014

Lunar Shadow Mining and Freight [LSMF]

The Hero of Kino
There are certain players in this game who inspire everyone they come in contact with. One such individual is Bing Bangboom. Bing, an Agent of the New Order, has accomplished many things worthy of note, but is perhaps best known for his solo wardec against the anti-pirate alliance U.S.A.T.O. Bing declared war on this alliance, led by the notoriously incoherent character "liberty" and hounded them across highsec and wormhole space for nearly a year, destroying billions of isk in assets, before they finally humbled themselves before the might of the Code and surrendered. It is one of the epic stories that make up the history of EVE Online, and I am proud to say that I played a small part in it. If you haven't read Bing's account, I suggest that you do so now.

Anyway, Bing has been writing of his adventures again lately, and as usual I am itching to follow once more in his footsteps as best I can, and fight some more solo wardecs. In my previous wars I have acted as a simple pirate, but in the spirit of what Bing does, and in gratitude for the 900 million isk in suicide ganking reimbursements I just received from James 315, I've decided to start wardeccing purely in the name of the New Order.

Scouting for targets
Often lately, I've taken to looking at Eve Who as my first stop in the search for new wartargets. Particularly at the top ten fastest growing corporations. This week there was a corporation called "Lunar Shadow Mining and Freight" on the list. A little more digging revealed that they were a brand new highsec mining corporation which had grown rapidly to 60 members and were based in Gallente space. Checking the bios of some of their characters, I found that the CEO was a 2014 character and many members were also quite new. None of them had mining permits that I could find.

I decided that they seemed promising, but that I needed a look at their home system before I could commit to a Foreverwar. So I hopped into a shuttle and flew over there. As I came within a few jumps, a dark feeling came over me. I couldn't put my finger on it, but there were reds in local and I had an intuition that I was entering a stronghold of rebels against the New Order - one of those rare backwaters of highsec where few Agents had ventured, and the locals had fallen into strange and savage ways.

When I jumped into Bereye, the first thing I saw was a mobile depot anchored on the gate and plastered with anti-Code propaganda. My unease deepened. A few members of LSMF were in local. I soon located one of them, Claude Pappotte, mining in a Retriever, and approached him with my intrepid little Caldari Shuttle. I opened a convo.


[ 2014.06.10 00:24:24 ] Kalim Dabo > o/
[ 2014.06.10 00:24:29 ] Claude Pappotte > Can I help you?
[ 2014.06.10 00:24:39 ] Kalim Dabo > yes, perhaps you can
[ 2014.06.10 00:24:53 ] Claude Pappotte > how so?
[ 2014.06.10 00:24:59 ] Kalim Dabo > i couldn't help but notice that you do not have a permit to mine in this system
[ 2014.06.10 00:25:07 ] Kalim Dabo > would you like to buy one?
[ 2014.06.10 00:25:12 ] Kalim Dabo > 10 million isk per year
[ 2014.06.10 00:25:27 ] Claude Pappotte > wow, speak of the devil, I was just talking about you psychos lol
[ 2014.06.10 00:25:47 ] Kalim Dabo > haha, i hope you mean "psychos" in a nice way
[ 2014.06.10 00:26:14 ] Claude Pappotte > oh but of course, after all, you guys are trying to rukle EVE like overlords right?
[ 2014.06.10 00:26:44 ] Kalim Dabo > anyway, as i am sure you are aware, this system belongs to the New Order of highsec, and we require all miners to have a permit and obey the Code
[ 2014.06.10 00:27:01 ] Kalim Dabo > you can find the details at www.minerbumping.com
[ 2014.06.10 00:27:29 ] Claude Pappotte > let me guess, you are the scout, you come in check the sys and a fleet comes behind you, good luck with that one
[ 2014.06.10 00:27:58 ] Kalim Dabo > i am indeed, scouting for the New Order, but it isn;t quite like that
[ 2014.06.10 00:28:48 ] Claude Pappotte > have you come to show me the error of my ways, OHHH am I a bot-aspirant? lol\
[ 2014.06.10 00:29:06 ] Kalim Dabo > now that remains to be seen
[ 2014.06.10 00:29:32 ] Kalim Dabo > i won't accuse you of bot aspirancy until i see it, until then i give you the benefit of the doubt
[ 2014.06.10 00:29:56 ] Kalim Dabo > but you will need a permit if you intend to continue mining in highsec, of course
[ 2014.06.10 00:30:20 ] Kalim Dabo > that's the law
[ 2014.06.10 00:30:46 ] Claude Pappotte > actually i dont, and it really isnt, thats the CODE, different word if im not mistaken
[ 2014.06.10 00:30:56 ] Kalim Dabo > to your credit, you were not afk when i approached you
[ 2014.06.10 00:31:05 ] Kalim Dabo > the Code is the only law in highsec
[ 2014.06.10 00:32:18 ] Claude Pappotte > I dont AFK mine, not my style, but there is nothing wrong with it
[ 2014.06.10 00:32:42 ] Kalim Dabo > i'm saddened to hear you say that, citizen
[ 2014.06.10 00:33:27 ] Kalim Dabo > well, anyway, i'll be on my way
[ 2014.06.10 00:33:33 ] Claude Pappotte > wow, you really are all wrapped up in this BS arent you, this is awesome, mind if I invite some friends, they would LOVE to hear you PREACH THE CODE LOLOLOL
[ 2014.06.10 00:33:49 ] Kalim Dabo > have a pleasant evening and think over what i've said to you
[ 2014.06.10 00:34:30 ] Claude Pappotte > later wacko lol fly safe

Although Claude was not afk at the time, he displayed insolent behavior when confronted by an Agent. He also announced my presence to other miners in local in a way that, I suspect, was not intended to be respectful.


[ 2014.06.10 00:31:26 ] Claude Pappotte > ALL MINERS IN SYS, CODE AGENT KALIM DABO, IS ASKING IF WE WANT MINING PERMITS? HOW SHOULD WE DEAL WITH THIS???
[ 2014.06.10 00:33:03 ] Kalim Dabo > hey everybody o/

Having confirmed my suspicions that LSMF was a rebel mining organization, I then warped back to their seditious mobile depot and captured a few screenshots as evidence, then left the system.

"Anti-CODE Awareness Beacon - Information Pamphlets Within"
Haedonism Bot extends the hand of diplomacy
Once back in the Forge, I decided to make the leaders of LSMF an offer - to get right with the Code and thereby prevent the inevitable destruction of their corporation. I composed an EVE Mail and sent it off to their CEO, Kirisaku Nardieu, as well as to the illegal miner I had spoken with.


Greetings from the New Order of Highsec
From: Haedonism Bot
Sent: 2014.06.10 00:58
To: Claude Pappotte,  Kirisaku Nardieu,  

Hello sir/madam,

I am writing to you today because one of our Agents, my alt Kalim Dabo, encountered a pilot from your corporation, one Claude Pappotte, mining in a Retriever in high security space. On closer inspection, it was found that Claude did not possess a valid mining permit.

As you are, no doubt, aware, all miners in highsec are required to have a permit and to comply with the New Halaima Code of Conduct. You can find more information about the Code at www.minerbumping.com

As an Agent of the New Order, I would be happy to get your entire corporation squared away with permits for 10 million isk per member. Permits are valid for 365 days, after which time they must be renewed if you intend to continue mining in New Order territory. Your members will need to display their permits in their bios, and I would also encourage you to add a statement in your corp description, along the lines of "This corporation is 100% Code Compliant and supports James 315 and the New Order of Highsec at www.minerbumping.com".

Needless to say, if you choose not to take advantage of this offer, your corporation will be considered illegal and targeted for destruction. I will give you a few days to think this over. I am confident that you will come to the right decision.

Have a lovely evening,

CODE Agent Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front


Meanwhile, I began quietly taking steps to secure a confidential informant from within their organization. He was able to gather further damning evidence of their willful rebellion against the Code from the LSMF corporate bulletins.


I then sat on my hands for two days and waited for their reply. It never came.

War has been declared...
Today I logged in, took a look at my empty mailbox, and knew that it was time. I made sure that my informant was online to capture the reaction and submitted my declaration of war to CONCORD, then composed a brief message that I mailed to most of their members explaining my reasons.


War.
From: Haedonism Bot
Sent: 2014.06.11 18:39
To: Aeris Nardieu...

Good afternoon gentlemen,

You may or may not have been informed that two days ago I sent a mail to your CEO. I had observed members of your corporation mining illegally in space controlled by the New Order of Highsec. As you know, all miners in highsec are required to have a valid mining permit issued by the New Order and to comply with the New Halaima Code of Conduct, which can be found at www.minerbumping.com

I reminded your CEO of this and made him an offer to purchase mining permits for your entire corporation, in order to get right with the Code. He was also reminded that failure to comply would mean that Lunar Shadow Mining and Freight would be targeted for destruction.

Unfortunately for you, your CEO ignored my friendly message and did not even show me the courtesy of replying. As a result, I had no choice but to declare war.

In 24 hours, our pilots will begin hunting yours and destroying them whenever they undock. If you wish the situation to end, I suggest you convince your CEO to surrender and to bring LSMF into Code-compliance as quickly as possible. Mining permits can be purchased from me or any other Agent of the New Order for 10 million isk per member, and are valid for one year.

Please share this message with the rest of your corporation, it's likely that I missed some members.

Have a lovely day,
Code Agent Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front

I then sat back and read the logs from their corporation chat as they came in, then began fitting out my Almost Unbeatable Incursus for battle. Tomorrow they will learn what happens to the enemies of highsec.

Now let's play a little game. One of the characters in the following excerpt from LSMF corp chat is a spai. Can you guess which one? First correct guess posted in the comments will receive a prize valued at 100 million isk. The winner obviously will only be announced after the inevitable surrender of LSMF, for opsec reasons.


[ 2014.06.11 18:24:21 ] Scytik Poljus > ..we're at war now?
[ 2014.06.11 18:24:49 ] James Paker > its war
[ 2014.06.11 18:25:32 ] Scytik Poljus > correct. why did they declare war on us?
[ 2014.06.11 18:25:52 ] James Paker > dont know, what does war even mean
[ 2014.06.11 18:26:04 ] Kayden Padecain > ok, who the hell pissed off the CODE alliance enough for them to hire mercs?
[ 2014.06.11 18:26:15 ] Scytik Poljus > that they can blow us up and not get punished, i believe
[ 2014.06.11 18:26:28 ] Kayden Padecain > it means that they can and will attack us on sight and concord will not interfere
[ 2014.06.11 18:26:50 ] Scytik Poljus > well there was the issue of someone losing a ship recently, then threatening the person who did it
[ 2014.06.11 18:26:59 ] Scytik Poljus > but im not sure if they were a part of CODE?
[ 2014.06.11 18:31:00 ] Kayden Padecain > well, this is awesome
[ 2014.06.11 18:32:03 ] Scytik Poljus > they spelled guerilla wrong in their description
[ 2014.06.11 18:33:53 ] Miles McKnoll > just aswell went n bought my omen then
[ 2014.06.11 18:35:52 ] Miles McKnoll > how big are CODE?
[ 2014.06.11 18:36:17 ] Kayden Padecain > CODE.
[ 2014.06.11 18:36:52 ] Miles McKnoll > ty
[ 2014.06.11 18:37:34 ] Scytik Poljus > so they operate in high sec?
[ 2014.06.11 18:37:44 ] Miles McKnoll > primarily
[ 2014.06.11 18:37:58 ] Miles McKnoll > doing some digging on em
[ 2014.06.11 18:37:58 ] Scytik Poljus > 15 bil bounty. thatd be sweet lol
[ 2014.06.11 18:38:27 ] Miles McKnoll > indeed 15 corps though
[ 2014.06.11 18:38:56 ] Miles McKnoll > active wars are against contraband inc
[ 2014.06.11 18:39:14 ] Scytik Poljus > is that good or bad?
[ 2014.06.11 18:39:36 ] Miles McKnoll > good for us, contrabrand are a pvp corp
[ 2014.06.11 18:39:55 ] Scytik Poljus > doesnt mean theyre around here or will help
[ 2014.06.11 18:40:38 ] Miles McKnoll > nope it doesnt but CODE likely more interested in keeping there eye on them
[ 2014.06.11 18:42:13 ] dav Uitra > u guys checked ur mail
[ 2014.06.11 18:42:30 ] Miles McKnoll > No chance of diplomacy? got a couple contacts in there discp
[ 2014.06.11 18:42:46 ] Miles McKnoll > I havent gotten one
[ 2014.06.11 18:43:01 ] James Paker > guy amour up in 24 hours they are our to get us
[ 2014.06.11 18:43:19 ] dav Uitra > well i have and its been sent to every single member
[ 2014.06.11 18:43:35 ] Miles McKnoll > Should be fun, how long does an active war last?
[ 2014.06.11 18:43:40 ] Dexterous Sythrilian > ...fuck
[ 2014.06.11 18:43:50 ] Dexterous Sythrilian > goodbye Procurer
[ 2014.06.11 18:43:56 ] Scytik Poljus > even in their description, it says that even if we have a permit, they might shoot anyways
[ 2014.06.11 18:44:05 ] Scytik Poljus > if i lose my retriever, ill be pissed
[ 2014.06.11 18:44:26 ] Zefram Brunswicke > At least I have 1 armed frigate and 1 armed Destroyer, I am rdy!'
[ 2014.06.11 18:44:37 ] Scytik Poljus > all i have is a drake
[ 2014.06.11 18:44:39 ] James Paker > that permit is a load of bull shit
[ 2014.06.11 18:44:46 ] Scytik Poljus > just a scam, is all
[ 2014.06.11 18:44:47 ] Miles McKnoll > leaving my retrever docked, fitting my omen now
[ 2014.06.11 18:44:50 ] Dexterous Sythrilian > my suggestion, step up your precautions or use your venture instead
[ 2014.06.11 18:44:52 ] dav Uitra > just stick to ventures for abit i guess
[ 2014.06.11 18:45:05 ] Dexterous Sythrilian > Kiri will be oissed
[ 2014.06.11 18:45:21 ] dav Uitra > yer and dont jet can just fill up and unload
[ 2014.06.11 18:45:21 ] Dexterous Sythrilian > *pissed


[ 2014.06.11 18:45:25 ] Scytik Poljus > so they did this solely because we're mining in their sec?
[ 2014.06.11 18:45:28 ] Miles McKnoll > yeap...
[ 2014.06.11 18:45:50 ] Kayden Padecain > that and they are dick holes
[ 2014.06.11 18:45:53 ] Scytik Poljus > fuck, i hate these guys already
[ 2014.06.11 18:46:07 ] Dexterous Sythrilian > they do loads of mining right enougj
[ 2014.06.11 18:46:12 ] Dexterous Sythrilian > *enough
[ 2014.06.11 18:46:23 ] dav Uitra > is durk afk because am sure hes in aice mining alot of jaspet
[ 2014.06.11 18:46:37 ] Scytik Poljus > regardless, they cant shoot yet
[ 2014.06.11 18:47:02 ] dav Uitra > they will get some to shoot u if they want to dw
[ 2014.06.11 18:47:23 ] James Paker > buy and destroyers and get big median hydrid weapons and camp at gates and blow them up
[ 2014.06.11 18:47:48 ] James Paker > how long does the last
[ 2014.06.11 18:48:00 ] Scytik Poljus > i have 25000 isk. nothing will be purchased with that
[ 2014.06.11 18:48:18 ] Kayden Padecain > as long as the attackers keep paying a mil a week i believe
[ 2014.06.11 18:48:23 ] dav Uitra > if u set weapon platorms would it give away the corp name?
[ 2014.06.11 18:50:08 ] Zefram Brunswicke > Set up minefeilds and weapons platforms, that's my suggestion. Slow them down alittle
[ 2014.06.11 18:50:45 ] Zefram Brunswicke > Gurilla warfare would be best
[ 2014.06.11 18:50:58 ] Zefram Brunswicke > hit and run
[ 2014.06.11 18:51:07 ] dav Uitra > yer but would the corp name show up when they traget them?
[ 2014.06.11 18:51:11 ] Zefram Brunswicke > they'll get sick of the war in a heartbeat
[ 2014.06.11 18:51:43 ] Scytik Poljus > ..that or theyre armed better than us, and make a living doing this
[ 2014.06.11 18:52:14 ] dav Uitra > how do u report this this like blackmail
[ 2014.06.11 18:52:17 ] Miles McKnoll > when war goes active do they show as red on out overlay?
[ 2014.06.11 18:52:24 ] Zefram Brunswicke > Hmm, I could buy a Gallente shuttle and offer to talk to their leader
[ 2014.06.11 18:52:24 ] Scytik Poljus > yeah
[ 2014.06.11 18:52:41 ] Scytik Poljus > what would that accomplish?
[ 2014.06.11 18:52:55 ] Zefram Brunswicke > Get them talking and come to an agreement
[ 2014.06.11 18:53:06 ] dav Uitra > read the mail u got
[ 2014.06.11 18:53:08 ] Scytik Poljus > they want money. theyre pirates
[ 2014.06.11 18:53:11 ] Zefram Brunswicke > we might have to pay them isk though
[ 2014.06.11 18:53:51 ] Miles McKnoll > can anyone forward me the mail?
[ 2014.06.11 18:54:16 ] Scytik Poljus > sent
[ 2014.06.11 18:54:33 ] Miles McKnoll > ty
[ 2014.06.11 18:54:50 ] dav Uitra > the mail was sent to ceo two days ago the mail says
[ 2014.06.11 18:56:11 ] Miles McKnoll > has he been online?
[ 2014.06.11 18:57:38 ] Eashua OfOronar > I am sure they wont shoot you Zefram if you pay the 10mil mining permit.
[ 2014.06.11 18:58:10 ] Miles McKnoll > Well who was mining in "There bit of space" as they seem to think
[ 2014.06.11 18:58:14 ] Zefram Brunswicke > yeah whatever But diplomacy can't hurt
[ 2014.06.11 18:58:37 ] Kayden Padecain > they consider "their bitof space" ALL of HighSec
[ 2014.06.11 18:59:10 ] Eashua OfOronar > I thought Kiri was talkign to them and this was the outcome of deplomacy? lol
[ 2014.06.11 18:59:39 ] Miles McKnoll > Night, so basically no one can mine Highsec unless they pay 10 mill?
[ 2014.06.11 18:59:40 ] Scytik Poljus > there is no diplomacy with pirates. especially pirates with an entire alliance
[ 2014.06.11 18:59:42 ] Eashua OfOronar > You can tell they are just looking to fight and if they get easy money well always a plus haha
[ 2014.06.11 18:59:43 ] Miles McKnoll > nice*
[ 2014.06.11 19:00:18 ] Kayden Padecain > and here is how this is going to go down. we have 4 ships combat ready and looking for them. they send a scout in that is cloaked, he then gets right up next to us and then 3x as many of them than us jump to his position
[ 2014.06.11 19:00:56 ] Eashua OfOronar > I am not sure how long the permit lasts but it is pretty much just just smoke anyways... they will shoot you if they like lol
[ 2014.06.11 19:01:02 ] Scytik Poljus > they'll show up on local, though?
[ 2014.06.11 19:01:03 ] Zefram Brunswicke > that's why we need to hit and run
[ 2014.06.11 19:01:17 ] Kayden Padecain > we will be slaughtered relentlessly, over and over again until all we have are the free rookie ships and no money
[ 2014.06.11 19:01:32 ] Scytik Poljus > im almost already down to that
[ 2014.06.11 19:01:41 ] Zefram Brunswicke > OR we could stay off the game for a week
[ 2014.06.11 19:01:48 ] Scytik Poljus > well thats no fun
[ 2014.06.11 19:01:52 ] Zefram Brunswicke > let them wonder what happened to us
[ 2014.06.11 19:01:59 ] Eashua OfOronar > Fact of the matter is we are miners not fighters and only a few capable of it.
[ 2014.06.11 19:02:39 ] Miles McKnoll > mmmh, lemme talk to my mate tomorrow, he has some mates in RAF, Chaos inc, and playboy, helped me out a few times see what he says
[ 2014.06.11 19:02:56 ] Zefram Brunswicke > Good idea
[ 2014.06.11 19:03:17 ] Kayden Padecain > we need to spearhead an Anti-CODE Alliance
[ 2014.06.11 19:03:22 ] Zefram Brunswicke > And make sure you all have weapons afixed to your mining ships
[ 2014.06.11 19:03:32 ] Miles McKnoll > probably cost but got on 800 mill so shouldnt be a problem
[ 2014.06.11 19:03:33 ] Eashua OfOronar > Lol that would be a waste haha
[ 2014.06.11 19:03:35 ] Zefram Brunswicke > and sheilds
[ 2014.06.11 19:03:48 ] Scytik Poljus > weapons on mining ships?
[ 2014.06.11 19:03:56 ] Zefram Brunswicke > I have on
[ 2014.06.11 19:03:56 ] Vaatia915 > are we going to be ok at this war?
[ 2014.06.11 19:04:01 ] Eashua OfOronar > Shields yes, in a mining ship you just need to survive long enough for police to show
[ 2014.06.11 19:04:18 ] Scytik Poljus > but if youre at war, the police wont interfere
[ 2014.06.11 19:04:18 ] Miles McKnoll > sadly police are gonna walk on past this show
[ 2014.06.11 19:04:30 ] Eashua OfOronar > Agreed.
[ 2014.06.11 19:04:44 ] Zefram Brunswicke > I could do hit and run missions on my destroyer
[ 2014.06.11 19:04:44 ] Kayden Padecain > Vaatia, i can safely say that if it comes down to war, we are going to wish we never started playing this game
[ 2014.06.11 19:05:22 ] Scytik Poljus > war is why i quit the game first time
[ 2014.06.11 19:05:40 ] Eashua OfOronar > If your gunna mine during war then will have to just hope you can warp out. Invest in some warp stabilizers I guess lol
[ 2014.06.11 19:07:02 ] Zefram Brunswicke > we need ton keep getting resources during this war because the pirates will try to cut us off from the ateroid belts
[ 2014.06.11 19:07:04 ] Eashua OfOronar > They will piss off enough groups or a big enough mining group that will hire someone or actually be big enough to kill them
[ 2014.06.11 19:07:08 ] Scytik Poljus > if they cloak themselves next to you, then you wont be able to warp out
[ 2014.06.11 19:07:19 ] Zefram Brunswicke > hmm, good point
[ 2014.06.11 19:07:25 ] Eashua OfOronar > You can. Just hard
[ 2014.06.11 19:07:48 ] dav Uitra > why does eve do nothing about code its pure blackmail
[ 2014.06.11 19:08:00 ] Scytik Poljus > because everything is allowed
[ 2014.06.11 19:08:08 ] Eashua OfOronar > They are not breaking the rules or cheating.
[ 2014.06.11 19:08:11 ] Scytik Poljus > this isnt blackmail, its just piracy
[ 2014.06.11 19:08:13 ] Miles McKnoll > cuz its a sandbox, its what the developers want to happen, in a way
[ 2014.06.11 19:08:42 ] Miles McKnoll > eventually they will piss of a large corp, and get torn to shreds, till then...
[ 2014.06.11 19:09:21 ] Eashua OfOronar > we play gopher and try not to get blown up to much
[ 2014.06.11 19:09:23 ] dav Uitra > but they will still have cash thats the trouble if anything drain their funds
[ 2014.06.11 19:09:28 ] Zefram Brunswicke > Hmm, you might laugh at this but I could get advice from a Milita of Montana member...perhaps he could give us some advice
[ 2014.06.11 19:09:48 ] Eashua OfOronar > on what? lol
[ 2014.06.11 19:09:53 ] Zefram Brunswicke > this war
[ 2014.06.11 19:09:57 ] Scytik Poljus > lol on how to hide in a station for a week?
[ 2014.06.11 19:10:00 ] Scytik Poljus > we're miners
[ 2014.06.11 19:10:05 ] Eashua OfOronar > lol
[ 2014.06.11 19:10:19 ] Zefram Brunswicke > you guys need to buy destoyers
[ 2014.06.11 19:10:34 ] Zefram Brunswicke > equip them and face the enemy
[ 2014.06.11 19:10:49 ] Zefram Brunswicke > But in a sneaky way, not overt
[ 2014.06.11 19:10:52 ] Miles McKnoll > Got an Omen navy issue im fitting now
[ 2014.06.11 19:10:57 ] Kayden Padecain > trust me, if we could fire our mining lasers and strip miners at them and deal damage, we would stand an excellent chance of winning
[ 2014.06.11 19:11:02 ] Eashua OfOronar > You can have all the equipment in the world but without the skills researched or the exp using them it will be fun to watch the explosion lol
[ 2014.06.11 19:11:08 ] Scytik Poljus > a destroyer? theyll probably have battleships
[ 2014.06.11 19:11:13 ] dav Uitra > be best to just pay up and all stict to 1 area just keep a eye out on local
[ 2014.06.11 19:11:30 ] Zefram Brunswicke > Bad idea dav
[ 2014.06.11 19:11:43 ] Eashua OfOronar > You pay em they will keep harassing.
[ 2014.06.11 19:11:43 ] Zefram Brunswicke > If we pay up, they'll just keep coming at us
[ 2014.06.11 19:11:45 ] Miles McKnoll > give them money thylee only want more and more
[ 2014.06.11 19:12:07 ] Eashua OfOronar > best bet is to move around and mine further away till it settles
[ 2014.06.11 19:12:08 ] Kayden Padecain > there are 4 ways out of this
[ 2014.06.11 19:12:18 ] Zefram Brunswicke > 1. Log for a week
[ 2014.06.11 19:12:21 ] dav Uitra > well the permit goes for 365 days and by then someone might of blown them up lol
[ 2014.06.11 19:12:25 ] Zefram Brunswicke > 2. Face them like men
[ 2014.06.11 19:12:30 ] Eashua OfOronar > No one is going to log for a week :/
[ 2014.06.11 19:12:35 ] Scytik Poljus > like men?
[ 2014.06.11 19:12:38 ] Zefram Brunswicke > 3. Whine to CONCORD
[ 2014.06.11 19:12:45 ] Eashua OfOronar > and we can't fight them. Well and not just be throwing away money
[ 2014.06.11 19:12:52 ] Eashua OfOronar > Concord can't help
[ 2014.06.11 19:12:53 ] Zefram Brunswicke > 4. Mine and pretend nothing is happening
[ 2014.06.11 19:12:58 ] Eashua OfOronar > Buingo!
[ 2014.06.11 19:13:03 ] dav Uitra > yer number 2 is out then
[ 2014.06.11 19:13:24 ] Scytik Poljus > and when we get destroyed and lose ships, still pretend nothing is happening?
[ 2014.06.11 19:13:29 ] Eashua OfOronar > Your gunna get blow up... part of eve... just try to make sure profit outweighs the damage lol
[ 2014.06.11 19:13:32 ] Zefram Brunswicke > We prolly should just log for a week
[ 2014.06.11 19:13:37 ] dav Uitra > we can mine but chances r they will still seach for us
[ 2014.06.11 19:13:41 ] Eashua OfOronar > you should :)
[ 2014.06.11 19:13:51 ] Scytik Poljus > lolz
[ 2014.06.11 19:13:57 ] Eashua OfOronar > I personally would like to play the game lol
[ 2014.06.11 19:14:07 ] Scytik Poljus > theyll send out probes to find us easy
[ 2014.06.11 19:14:12 ] Eashua OfOronar > There are always going to be dicks.
[ 2014.06.11 19:14:28 ] Eashua OfOronar > So should get use to it now lol
[ 2014.06.11 19:14:42 ] dav Uitra > same here i paid for a sub not gonna log off mean am losing what i paid for
[ 2014.06.11 19:15:14 ] Eashua OfOronar > A load of veld pays for a vanture... you can mine in a venture for a week and still make a profit
[ 2014.06.11 19:15:29 ] Zefram Brunswicke > So we should keep mining and when one of us gets attacked, we call in Kiri
[ 2014.06.11 19:15:39 ] Zefram Brunswicke > He has the BIG ship
[ 2014.06.11 19:15:58 ] Eashua OfOronar > Personally if I get hit I am not calling a damn thing to me other than to get the hell out and dont lose your ship too lol
[ 2014.06.11 19:16:04 ] Scytik Poljus > i think durk has some good ships
[ 2014.06.11 19:16:16 ] Zefram Brunswicke > Or Durk
[ 2014.06.11 19:16:21 ] dav Uitra > pffft we be better of mining worm holes they wont come in there
[ 2014.06.11 19:16:22 ] Eashua OfOronar > There are quite a few good ships here.
[ 2014.06.11 19:16:25 ] Scytik Poljus > but even then, response time.
[ 2014.06.11 19:16:27 ] Scytik Poljus > wont be there
[ 2014.06.11 19:16:58 ] Eashua OfOronar > Jin is the best fighter we have. But I wouldnt waste a fighter on an attack on my venture lol
[ 2014.06.11 19:17:20 ] Zefram Brunswicke > do we know what ships they use?
[ 2014.06.11 19:17:22 ] dav Uitra > 1 guy is no good if they come in groups thou lol
[ 2014.06.11 19:17:29 ] Zefram Brunswicke > We need intel
[ 2014.06.11 19:17:50 ] dav Uitra > chances r they have a rmy of ships zef no way to know
[ 2014.06.11 19:18:10 ] Eashua OfOronar > I have seen destroyers and frigates take out battleships. It more matters about the player.
[ 2014.06.11 19:18:22 ] Eashua OfOronar > The skills researched make a big difference
[ 2014.06.11 19:18:31 ] Zefram Brunswicke > yes they do
[ 2014.06.11 19:18:40 ] Eashua OfOronar > We are miners ;)
[ 2014.06.11 19:19:01 ] Eashua OfOronar > All but a few. I have up to battleship trained... but Wont do us any good.
[ 2014.06.11 19:19:03 ] Zefram Brunswicke > Status quo then, just call in Kiri if we are attacked
[ 2014.06.11 19:19:13 ] Eashua OfOronar > I wont haha
[ 2014.06.11 19:19:24 ] Eashua OfOronar > cause I will be mining in a venture.
[ 2014.06.11 19:19:27 ] dav Uitra > just mine a area that has 1 gate and set up trap for them :) so guns or some shit
[ 2014.06.11 19:19:36 ] Eashua OfOronar > and his ship is worth 200mil +
[ 2014.06.11 19:20:27 ] dav Uitra > why has kiri not talked to us about this thats part kinda pissing me off is finding out by group mail
[ 2014.06.11 19:21:04 ] Zefram Brunswicke > I wonder if Kiri is somehow in on it. He has been acting strangly lately
[ 2014.06.11 19:21:32 ] Eashua OfOronar > He has been trying to figure out what to do.
[ 2014.06.11 19:21:34 ] Zefram Brunswicke > almost paranoid
[ 2014.06.11 19:21:55 ] Zefram Brunswicke > I am convinced we have a mole
[ 2014.06.11 19:22:02 ] dav Uitra > yes but still not told us what was going on we find out like this
[ 2014.06.11 19:22:08 ] Eashua OfOronar > We all would be if we were trying to figure out what to do.
[ 2014.06.11 19:22:08 ] Zefram Brunswicke > someone who knows our weaknesses
[ 2014.06.11 19:22:27 ] Eashua OfOronar > He is not exactly good at explaining things haha
[ 2014.06.11 19:23:15 ] Eashua OfOronar > Doesn't mean he isn't trying. He has been tryign to make sure we are all outfitted in case this happened. But we dont have the ability nor the funds to keep up with a war.
[ 2014.06.11 19:23:22 ] dav Uitra > not good enough thou is it could we make our own corp buy us some time
[ 2014.06.11 19:23:38 ] Eashua OfOronar > So He is probably freaking out and we all know he has a busy RL too
[ 2014.06.11 19:24:20 ] Zefram Brunswicke > All in favor of Creating Intersellar Mining and Trade Company? Say Aye
[ 2014.06.11 19:24:42 ] Zefram Brunswicke > If we create a new compnay, we can avoid the war altogether
[ 2014.06.11 19:26:03 ] Kayden Padecain > NO, we at least owe Kiri a chance to explain before we abandon ship.
[ 2014.06.11 19:26:35 ] Zefram Brunswicke > I like my assets, I paid time and isk for them
[ 2014.06.11 19:26:36 ] Scytik Poljus > what would kiri possibly have to do with any of this?
[ 2014.06.11 19:28:03 ] Eashua OfOronar > Zef, you own shares eh?
[ 2014.06.11 19:28:25 ] Zefram Brunswicke > Fine, be blown out of space. If this thing does become a war, I might be selling my shares and joining a new Corp :(
[ 2014.06.11 19:28:40 ] Eashua OfOronar > I will buy your shares. How much?
[ 2014.06.11 19:28:55 ] Zefram Brunswicke > 10 million a share
[ 2014.06.11 19:28:57 ] Scytik Poljus > it already will be a war. it has been declared
[ 2014.06.11 19:29:25 ] dav Uitra > war started a hour ago
[ 2014.06.11 19:29:36 ] Scytik Poljus > it wont actually be on for 24 hours after that
[ 2014.06.11 19:31:05 ] Eashua OfOronar > How bout you knock a few 0 off that number haha then I will buy... or you can go join the faction we are at war with... almost the same price lol
[ 2014.06.11 19:31:32 ] Eashua OfOronar > How many shares you have anyways.
[ 2014.06.11 19:33:08 ] Eashua OfOronar > anyways. I do believe you would fit in better.
[ 2014.06.11 19:33:42 ] Zefram Brunswicke > Go fuck yourself Eashua
[ 2014.06.11 19:33:50 ] Zefram Brunswicke > I am leaving the corp
[ 2014.06.11 19:34:02 ] Eashua OfOronar > Lol good luck little one ;)
[ 2014.06.11 19:34:19 ] Eashua OfOronar > You WILL need it.
[ 2014.06.11 19:37:12 ] Scytik Poljus > lolz
[ 2014.06.11 19:37:19 ] Scytik Poljus > hes going to find wars whereever hes at
[ 2014.06.11 19:37:28 ] Eashua OfOronar > Well that was fun.
[ 2014.06.11 19:37:54 ] Vaatia915 > well
[ 2014.06.11 19:38:02 ] Vaatia915 > what the hell are we gonna do?
[ 2014.06.11 19:38:02 ] Scytik Poljus > what happenes to the shares he has when he leaves?
[ 2014.06.11 19:38:08 ] Eashua OfOronar > But yes, he will have trouble but it is his concern now.
[ 2014.06.11 19:38:12 ] Vaatia915 > we cant handle CORE.
[ 2014.06.11 19:38:14 ] Scytik Poljus > endure
[ 2014.06.11 19:38:24 ] Vaatia915 > this mothafukin faction is a member of core
[ 2014.06.11 19:38:42 ] Vaatia915 > if we fight back and beat the shit out of them then other factions from core are gonna show up
[ 2014.06.11 19:38:53 ] Vaatia915 > also, what about that faction that offered assistance
[ 2014.06.11 19:39:05 ] Vaatia915 > Pandora Cartel
[ 2014.06.11 19:39:13 ] Scytik Poljus > they offered assistance?
[ 2014.06.11 19:39:17 ] Scytik Poljus > im assuming more mercenaries?
[ 2014.06.11 19:39:51 ] Vaatia915 > look at the war tab
[ 2014.06.11 19:40:00 ] Vaatia915 > it says Pandora Cartel has offered its assistance
[ 2014.06.11 19:40:07 ] Vaatia915 > maybe kiri will buy us allies?
[ 2014.06.11 19:40:17 ] Scytik Poljus > for 50,000,000
[ 2014.06.11 19:40:51 ] Eashua OfOronar > hmmm steep price... but might be worth it.
[ 2014.06.11 19:41:20 ] Scytik Poljus > they only have 10 members
[ 2014.06.11 19:41:37 ] Eashua OfOronar > As soon as Kiri is on we will all have to figure out the options. I think we are all missing to many peices to make a good decision.
[ 2014.06.11 19:41:45 ] Scytik Poljus > most definitely
[ 2014.06.11 19:41:47 ] Eashua OfOronar > Lol better be 10 bad ass members
[ 2014.06.11 19:41:54 ] Scytik Poljus > no point in jumping to conslusions like Zef did
[ 2014.06.11 19:42:07 ] Eashua OfOronar > but if they are going to lose a bunch of ships for us... 50mil isn't bad
[ 2014.06.11 19:42:25 ] Eashua OfOronar > Zef always jumps to conclusions... but not our problem anymore.
[ 2014.06.11 19:42:37 ] Eashua OfOronar > I am sure it isn't the last we have seen of him either.
[ 2014.06.11 19:42:59 ] Vaatia915 > what if they have 10 titans?
[ 2014.06.11 19:43:27 ] Eashua OfOronar > then 50mil is a damn good price haha. cause if they lose one they are in a deep whole lol
[ 2014.06.11 19:43:27 ] Scytik Poljus > lol then theyd be too slow to mobilize?
[ 2014.06.11 19:43:57 ] Eashua OfOronar > just have em sit next to mining ops lol.... although I hear they are bad for targetting tiny guys
[ 2014.06.11 19:44:13 ] Scytik Poljus > they could hold hella good drones, though
[ 2014.06.11 19:44:15 ] Scytik Poljus > im assuming
[ 2014.06.11 19:44:38 ] james blackthorn1 > hello again
[ 2014.06.11 19:44:44 ] Scytik Poljus > sup james
[ 2014.06.11 19:44:53 ] dav Uitra > we need a corp that could drain codes banks that would stop them coming online
[ 2014.06.11 19:44:59 ] james blackthorn1 > back from dinner and dogywalk
[ 2014.06.11 19:45:03 ] Scytik Poljus > and Pandora are in 11 different wars right now
[ 2014.06.11 19:46:16 ] Vaatia915 > definatly mercs then
[ 2014.06.11 19:46:36 ] Vaatia915 > when will kiri be on?
[ 2014.06.11 19:46:45 ] Scytik Poljus > theyve been in 40 wars, that much is obvious lol
[ 2014.06.11 19:47:18 ] james blackthorn1 > where can i see the "saved location" ?
[ 2014.06.11 19:47:42 ] Scytik Poljus > left hand panel, click on "people & places"
[ 2014.06.11 19:48:18 ] Vaatia915 > so nobady has an estimated time for a kiri appearence?
[ 2014.06.11 19:48:29 ] Scytik Poljus > none at all, i know no one's schedule
[ 2014.06.11 19:49:17 ] Anset Oramara > I'm not getting corp emails. can someone help me fix that?
[ 2014.06.11 19:49:25 ] Vaatia915 > nobody has him on skype or something?
[ 2014.06.11 19:49:55 ] Scytik Poljus > there hasnt been any corp emails in a few days
[ 2014.06.11 19:49:58 ] Vaatia915 > or as i look at the character profile, her
[ 2014.06.11 19:50:10 ] Anset Oramara > oh k thanks scy
[ 2014.06.11 19:50:18 ] Scytik Poljus > kiri is a dude
[ 2014.06.11 19:50:20 ] Scytik Poljus > ...i think
[ 2014.06.11 19:50:23 ] Anset Oramara > kiri the person is a he, the character is a she though yeah
[ 2014.06.11 19:50:25 ] Anset Oramara > yep
[ 2014.06.11 19:50:32 ] Vaatia915 > ok so its a dude
[ 2014.06.11 19:51:10 ] Anset Oramara > but no, he'll be on when he's on
[ 2014.06.11 19:51:33 ] Vaatia915 > speaking of he shes. When i was little i was playing club penguin and a female penguin started hitting on me. but when we got to my igloo she turned out to be a he wearing a pink penguin skin because he "wanted to see that sweet girl penguin booty"
[ 2014.06.11 19:51:46 ] Vaatia915 > it was tramatizing
[ 2014.06.11 19:51:50 ] Anset Oramara > ...
[ 2014.06.11 19:52:05 ] Scytik Poljus > hahahaha!
[ 2014.06.11 19:52:06 ] Scytik Poljus > wtf
[ 2014.06.11 19:52:16 ] Vaatia915 > i was 7 at the time btw
[ 2014.06.11 19:52:17 ] dav Uitra > lamo lol
[ 2014.06.11 19:52:39 ] Jimmisen > Hey everyone i see ive logged just in time lol
[ 2014.06.11 19:54:08 ] dav Uitra > time 2 get blow up by code
[ 2014.06.11 19:54:19 ] Vaatia915 > we got 23 hours
[ 2014.06.11 19:54:34 ] Jimmisen > Fill me in ?
[ 2014.06.11 19:55:05 ] Vaatia915 > a member of the CORE alliance declared war on us
[ 2014.06.11 19:55:15 ] Vaatia915 > we have 23 hours until the fighting starts
[ 2014.06.11 19:55:26 ] Vaatia915 > a merc corp with 10 ppl has offered to help us for 50mil ISK
[ 2014.06.11 19:55:27 ] Scytik Poljus > we've been mining in the CODE's "section of space". which is all high-sec space.
[ 2014.06.11 19:55:54 ] Jimmisen > lol
[ 2014.06.11 19:55:55 ] dav Uitra > and kiri has kept us in the dark
[ 2014.06.11 19:55:58 ] Vaatia915 > i think im gonna spend the wartime hiding in the tutorial area of space
[ 2014.06.11 19:56:06 ] Vaatia915 > speaking of which, how long do wars last?
[ 2014.06.11 19:56:15 ] james blackthorn1 > well thats interesting. what kind of ships does the oposition has ?
[ 2014.06.11 19:56:33 ] Scytik Poljus > they make a living off of piracy and ganking
[ 2014.06.11 19:56:40 ] Scytik Poljus > so im assuming awesome ships
[ 2014.06.11 19:56:49 ] Anset Oramara > a lot of corps have everyone leave the corp and join a fleet to stay connected, then rejoin the corp after the war is over
[ 2014.06.11 19:57:12 ] Anset Oramara > or the corp could get its own wh, though that takes a lot of moving and coordination, outside of this corp's capabilities
[ 2014.06.11 19:57:29 ] Vaatia915 > how long will the war take?
[ 2014.06.11 19:57:36 ] Vaatia915 > we could all just go into hiding
[ 2014.06.11 19:57:39 ] Jimmisen > So this means they will be allowed to attack us in high sec space without getting killed by concord
[ 2014.06.11 19:57:42 ] Vaatia915 > its pretty safe out here in uitra
[ 2014.06.11 19:57:46 ] Eashua OfOronar > Its own WH?
[ 2014.06.11 19:58:03 ] Anset Oramara > not "own", they just hide in a wh
[ 2014.06.11 19:58:21 ] Jimmisen > Im not going inside a wormhole lol
[ 2014.06.11 19:58:23 ] Anset Oramara > set up a pos, all that
[ 2014.06.11 19:58:25 ] Eashua OfOronar > ah ok, just making sure :P
[ 2014.06.11 19:58:34 ] Anset Oramara > if you're in a corp, it's totally safe jimmi
[ 2014.06.11 19:58:44 ] Anset Oramara > going with ppl who know what to do
[ 2014.06.11 19:59:20 ] dav Uitra > wh are safe if u got the rgght up not that hard
[ 2014.06.11 19:59:22 ] Miles McKnoll > carrier, jump to WH, hide + mine in groups, wait till it blows
over, unfortunately, not an option for a corp of this standard
[ 2014.06.11 19:59:58 ] Vaatia915 > no one has answered my question. How long until it blows over?
[ 2014.06.11 20:00:10 ] dav Uitra > no idea
[ 2014.06.11 20:00:11 ] Scytik Poljus > i think a week?
[ 2014.06.11 20:00:11 ] Anset Oramara > yeah idk that answer
[ 2014.06.11 20:00:20 ] Scytik Poljus > unless if they keepy paying to prolong it?
[ 2014.06.11 20:00:34 ] Vaatia915 > well if we make it not profitable for them
[ 2014.06.11 20:00:36 ] Anset Oramara > i know wars have set time periods though, and if we all hide and dont give them kills, then they'll get bored and wont erdeclare it
[ 2014.06.11 20:00:40 ] Anset Oramara > redeclare*
[ 2014.06.11 20:00:41 ] Kayden Padecain > it lasts until the declarer of the war decides to stop funding it
[ 2014.06.11 20:00:49 ] Anset Oramara > oh
[ 2014.06.11 20:01:25 ] dav Uitra > yer thats what i said anset just mine a area that has 1 gate
[ 2014.06.11 20:01:32 ] Miles McKnoll > in this case, probably a few weeks unless they either dont find us, or we bloody their nose
[ 2014.06.11 20:01:46 ] Eashua OfOronar > hey Kayden. How do you buy shares for the corp? How did Zef get them... cause I think he gets to keep them even if he leaves.
[ 2014.06.11 20:01:49 ] Scytik Poljus > which i doubt we will be able to bloody anything
[ 2014.06.11 20:02:00 ] Miles McKnoll > indeed scy
[ 2014.06.11 20:02:18 ] Kayden Padecain > that i dont know, Kiri will have to answer that
[ 2014.06.11 20:03:17 ] Eashua OfOronar > Poor guy is going to get hammered with questions soon haha
[ 2014.06.11 20:03:27 ] Eashua OfOronar > Even if I dont bug him when he gets online lol
[ 2014.06.11 20:04:31 ] dav Uitra > if he comes online
[ 2014.06.11 20:06:06 ] Jimmisen > Probably a good time to learn cloak skill lol
[ 2014.06.11 20:07:00 ] dav Uitra > just use ur venture no fancy ships thats what am doing
[ 2014.06.11 20:07:08 ] Miles McKnoll > might just jump in my astero and go null sec for a week lol
[ 2014.06.11 20:07:22 ] Anset Oramara > Anyone know if I'm safe being far away from hq?
[ 2014.06.11 20:07:43 ] Jimmisen > Nope
[ 2014.06.11 20:07:52 ] Vaatia915 > am i safe in the tutorial areas?
[ 2014.06.11 20:08:09 ] Scytik Poljus > dont think youre safe anywhere
[ 2014.06.11 20:08:14 ] Anset Oramara > K then we're going to need to set up a fleet and kick everyone from the corp, that's the best way
[ 2014.06.11 20:08:16 ] Jimmisen > ill just do some missions ;)
[ 2014.06.11 20:08:31 ] Vaatia915 > ill just hide out somewhere
[ 2014.06.11 20:08:38 ] dav Uitra > just find a rea with no 1 in local chat hardly and keep a eye out for new people
[ 2014.06.11 20:09:08 ] Anset Oramara > the fleet thing is an easier option for people who dont have that option
[ 2014.06.11 20:09:16 ] Horizon Azora > hi guys
[ 2014.06.11 20:09:46 ] Scytik Poljus > but what about the members that arent online? how do they get to the new fleet?
[ 2014.06.11 20:10:04 ] Anset Oramara > that's not hard to do
[ 2014.06.11 20:10:22 ] Anset Oramara > i dont know exactly how as i've never run a corp or made fleets
[ 2014.06.11 20:10:28 ] Anset Oramara > but it can't be that complicated, honestly
[ 2014.06.11 20:10:34 ] Horizon Azora > im assuming something is going on?
[ 2014.06.11 20:10:38 ] Jimmisen > Ohh you should probably insure your expensive ships
[ 2014.06.11 20:10:56 ] Miles McKnoll > Corp warfare and general promised death and destruction horizon
[ 2014.06.11 20:10:57 ] Anset Oramara > We've been declared war on
[ 2014.06.11 20:11:04 ] dav Uitra > shit has hit a very big fan
[ 2014.06.11 20:11:08 ] Eashua OfOronar > Well lets hold off on doing anything till we find out what Kiri is thinking. We have 24hrs
[ 2014.06.11 20:11:15 ] Scytik Poljus > especially for a mining fleet
[ 2014.06.11 20:11:38 ] Horizon Azora > well then.... isn't there an option to decline the war or something?
[ 2014.06.11 20:11:59 ] Miles McKnoll > nope
[ 2014.06.11 20:12:06 ] Eashua OfOronar > lol if only
[ 2014.06.11 20:12:09 ] Miles McKnoll > 23 hrs we are free meat, concord wont do crap
[ 2014.06.11 20:12:21 ] Horizon Azora > what about surender?
[ 2014.06.11 20:12:32 ] Eashua OfOronar > Kiri should be on tonight and we can figure out what to do then.
[ 2014.06.11 20:12:54 ] Horizon Azora > does kiri know about the war
[ 2014.06.11 20:12:56 ] Miles McKnoll > indeed
[ 2014.06.11 20:13:18 ] Miles McKnoll > Dunno, mail we receved from CODE says the mailed him, but he never replied
[ 2014.06.11 20:13:43 ] Horizon Azora > i messaged him yesterdayt around 5pm but no reply from him
[ 2014.06.11 20:14:04 ] Miles McKnoll > probably just hasnt logged in
[ 2014.06.11 20:15:04 ] Horizon Azora > do they get access to the location of our hq?
[ 2014.06.11 20:15:11 ] Miles McKnoll > even if he doesnt, just stick to low pop systems and stockpile goods
[ 2014.06.11 20:15:13 ] Anset Oramara > they'd have to find us
[ 2014.06.11 20:15:27 ] Miles McKnoll > when it blows over return to normall
[ 2014.06.11 20:15:40 ] Scytik Poljus > our corp info says our HQ is in bereye
[ 2014.06.11 20:15:45 ] Miles McKnoll > just keep an eye out of whos in your system, and keep aligned to a warp gate
[ 2014.06.11 20:16:19 ] Miles McKnoll > s all you can do really unless they come after you in a floating scrap heap which our drones can take out till you can jump
[ 2014.06.11 20:17:20 ] Horizon Azora > hmmmmm now just stay with me for a moment here, its just an idea....... we're a mining corp, yes..... great so that means a lot of us must have a decent amount of cash..... why don't all members get the skills needed for drones as it should take under
[ 2014.06.11 20:17:25 ] Miles McKnoll > horizon forwarded you the mail we recved from CODE
[ 2014.06.11 20:17:40 ] Horizon Azora > 24 hours an just bombard them at their hq
[ 2014.06.11 20:17:51 ] Scytik Poljus > yeah.. thats not a good idea.
[ 2014.06.11 20:17:56 ] Miles McKnoll > thyre an alliance of 16 corps
[ 2014.06.11 20:18:01 ] Scytik Poljus > this isnt just a corp, its a an alliance
[ 2014.06.11 20:18:24 ] Miles McKnoll > even if they only have 100 odd players that 1600, and lets say 20 are on from each, still wayyy more than we ever have on
[ 2014.06.11 20:18:32 ] Horizon Azora > so if a corp gets in a war all their alliances can join too?
[ 2014.06.11 20:18:40 ] Miles McKnoll > yep...
[ 2014.06.11 20:18:49 ] Horizon Azora > do we have any alliances?
[ 2014.06.11 20:18:56 ] Jimmisen > nop
[ 2014.06.11 20:18:59 ] Horizon Azora > -_-
[ 2014.06.11 20:19:00 ] Scytik Poljus > none
[ 2014.06.11 20:19:09 ] Horizon Azora > guys maybe its times to make friends
[ 2014.06.11 20:19:44 ] Miles McKnoll > im talking to some guys from playboy tomorrow, might be able to do something, mate is in well with some of there officers
[ 2014.06.11 20:20:22 ] Miles McKnoll > but thats still more of a deterant than anything
[ 2014.06.11 20:20:54 ] Horizon Azora > playboy? an wtf is this message you sent me? Since when is there mining permits an has anyone told there CEO that our CEO hasn't been online in a few days?
[ 2014.06.11 20:21:36 ] Miles McKnoll > playboy is a pvp corp of some 900 players, and CORE is a blackmailing bunch of wankers saying we have to pay to mine in high sec
[ 2014.06.11 20:21:48 ] Miles McKnoll > 10 mill a year or something
[ 2014.06.11 20:22:21 ] Anset Oramara > While 10mil isn't that much to people in mining barges and up, the whole thing is a scam and really shitty of them
[ 2014.06.11 20:22:26 ] Horizon Azora > lol when these fucks tried scamming me for 500m
[ 2014.06.11 20:22:49 ] Vaatia915 > could we petition for aid from some really large faction or something?
[ 2014.06.11 20:23:54 ] Horizon Azora > what about pvp miners or very large mining corps with alot of players.... try an get a meeting with their CEO's to get rid of scamming an BS in the mining feild for good.... like a revolution
[ 2014.06.11 20:24:32 ] Horizon Azora > it will be like the biggest war in eve history or something lol
[ 2014.06.11 20:24:49 ] Jimmisen > So how much are they demanding we pay?
[ 2014.06.11 20:24:58 ] Miles McKnoll > 10 mill per person
[ 2014.06.11 20:25:16 ] Vaatia915 > so if we each put in 10 mil we are safe?
[ 2014.06.11 20:25:23 ] Horizon Azora > thats about 300-400mil
[ 2014.06.11 20:25:24 ] Anset Oramara > thats for the permit thing
[ 2014.06.11 20:25:26 ] Miles McKnoll > yeap
[ 2014.06.11 20:26:24 ] Horizon Azora > are you guys forgetting they're scammers, i bet you that there will be there corp tax an other BS between me, jin, ryan an gib5on that they will want payment for as well
[ 2014.06.11 20:26:41 ] Miles McKnoll > probably
[ 2014.06.11 20:27:43 ] Miles McKnoll > or, we petition to join there alliance, with a smaller payment and pay there alliance interest
[ 2014.06.11 20:28:14 ] Horizon Azora > What is revolutionary front? As they aren't even the corp that jin ryan an myself encountered/talked to?